IInternational Science Council uye Nhengo yayo, iyo China Association yeSainzi neTekinoroji (Rashai), mukubatana na muzvarirwo, vari kutangisa mutsva-zvikamu zvitanhatu podcast nhevedzano vachiongorora mamiriro ari kusimuka emabasa ekutsvagisa. Pakati pezvakatevedzana, vaongorori vekutanga uye vepakati-basa vachange vachikurukurirana nevakuru vesainzi, vachigovana zviitiko zvekukura, kubatana, uye kusimba pamberi pekuchinja nekukurumidza.
Chiitiko chega chega chinoratidza zvese zviri zviviri mikana uye zvinomanikidza zvinoumba basa resainzi nhasi. Kubva pakutonga kudyidzana kwepasi rose nekubatanidza matekinoroji matsva, kusvika pakuenzanisa basa remasangano akasiyana uye zvinotarisirwa munharaunda, nhevedzano iyi inopa ruzivo runoshanda muhunyanzvi nemaonero anodiwa kuti ubudirire mubasa resainzi.
Muchikamu chekutanga, mutori wenhau wesainzi Izzie Clarke inotaura na Muzvinafundo Robbert Dijkgraaf, theoretical physicist uye Mutungamiri-akasarudzwa weISC, uye Muzvinafundo Baojing Gu yeZhejiang University. Pamwe chete, vanokurukura nezve kukurumidza kukurumidza kwekuchinja mukutsvagisa - kubva kuAI uye data hombe kuenda kukubatana kwepasirese - uye fungisisa nezvekuti masayendisiti ekutanga-basa anogona kushandura matambudziko aya kuita mikana.
Vateereri vanowana maonero ekufambisa kubatana kwenyika dzese, kuvaka hunyanzvi hwehupenyu hwese network, uye kutsvaga kambasi yemunhu mukati mekuchinja kwenzvimbo yedzidzo.
Host: Izzie Clarke, mutori wenhau weSainzi
Vashanyi: Purofesa Robbert Dijkgraaf (Theoretical physicist, Mutungamiri-akasarudzwa weISC) uye Purofesa Baojing Gu (Environmental and resource Management, Zhejiang University).
[00:01] Izzie Clarke
Mhoroi ndokugamuchirai. Ini ndiri mutori wenhau wesainzi Izzie Clarke uye mune ino podcast nhevedzano, yakaratidzwa mukudyidzana neInternational Science Council, nerutsigiro rweChina Association for Science and Technology, tichave tichiongorora shanduko yemamiriro esainzi kune vekutanga- uye vepakati-basa vaongorori - uye nzira yekuzvifambisa.
Nhasi, ndabatanidzwa naProfessor Robbert Dijkgraaf, nyanzvi yefizikisi uye Mutungamiriri akasarudzwa weInternational Science Council.
[00:32] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Mhoro.
[00:33] Izzie Clarke
Uye Baojing Gu kubva kuZhejiang University, Purofesa weEnvironment uye Resource Management.
[00:38] Baojing Gu
Hello vose.
[00:39] Izzie Clarke
Ndinokutendai mose zvikuru nekubatana neni. Robbert, ngatitange newe. Wataura nezve shanduko huru yesainzi - ndizvo zviri maererano nechikamu chino. Saka, kubva pakuona kwako, ndedzipi shanduko huru mumabasa esainzi nhasi, kunyanya kune vekutanga- uye vepakati-basa vaongorori?
[00:59] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Isu tiri mukuchinja kunoshamisa mubhizinesi rose redzidzo. Isu tinoona kukwidziridzwa kwematekinoroji matsva, enharaunda yakakura ichikura. Asi zvakare zvinodikanwa munharaunda yekutsvagisa zvinova zvakanyanya. Tinoda kuti vaongorori vasangove vakanaka mukuita tsvakiridzo. Tinoda kuti vashande vari muzvikwata zvakasiyana-siyana, tinoda kuti vabatane nenharaunda, tinoda kuti vave nemazano emitemo. Saka, kana iwe uri muongorori webasa rekutanga, unogona kunzwa kuremerwa pamusoro pemafambiro aunoita nzvimbo iyoyo kana ichichinja nekukurumidza.
[01:44] Baojing Gu
Mazuva ano, tine shanduko yekukurumidza yetekinoroji nyowani, senge AI uye data hombe. Tinoda kuti ishandise mumitauro yakawanda kubva munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzekutsvagisa, uye ndinofunga kuti ndiro dambudziko guru kune zvizvarwa zvidiki zviri kuedza kunzwisisa nyika itsva yepasirese uye kushandisa makona akazara.
[02:08] Izzie Clarke
Uye iyo shanduko inokurumidza, aya matekinoroji matsva uye kusimudzira ... hongu, iwo matambudziko asi anozopa mikana mitsva zvakare. Saka, chii chaungapa mazano ekutanga- uye epakati-basa vaongorori vari kutarisana nazvo?
[02:22] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Pane mikana inotyisa, kwete yekungoita basa rakakura chete asi kugadzira patsva chivakwa chedzidzo mavari kushanda. Kune mikana chaiyo yechizvarwa chinotevera chekuchinja nzira yatinoita sainzi, kufunga zvakasiyana nezvemakwara ebasa, kufunga zvakasiyana nezvekubatana. Kwemakumi emakore akawanda, takanga tine bhizinesi rekutsvagisa, uye tave kurarama munguva yatinonzwa kuti iyi haisisiri nzira yakakodzera yekuzvimisa isu. Uye tichave tichiodza moyo nzanga, tichiodza moyo vanogadzira mitemo, tinenge tichizviodza mwoyo kana tikasagadzirisa zvakare bhizinesi redzidzo.
[03:10] Baojing Gu
Hongu, ndinofunga isu tine matambudziko matsva nemikana mitsva. Uye kunyanya isu tine data hombe. Tine tekinoroji nyowani, kunyanya yeAI. Havasi kungotarisa munzvimbo imwe chete. Chaizvoizvo, ndeye interdisciplinary. Saka, ndinofunga kuti ndiyo mazuvano hunyanzvi hwakawedzerwa nehunyanzvi hutsva. Isu tinokwanisa kugadzirisa zvimwe nyaya kana nyaya dzakaoma kune zvizvarwa zvidiki. Kana iwe ukatarisa mukugadzirisa nyaya kubva kumakona akasiyana, izvo zvinogona kugadzirisa nyore mibvunzo yakawanda yakaoma kwazvo. Ndinofunga kuti ndiwowo mukana kune vechidiki.
[03:54] Izzie Clarke
Uye inovhura, ndinofunga, kuti kuwanikwa uye kutaurirana zvakare. Vaongorori vebasa rekutanga vanganzwa sei vaine simba rekutanga imwe shanduko iyoyo?
[04:07] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Ndinofunga chimwe chemufaro mukuru wekuve musayendisiti ndechekuti uri chikamu chenharaunda yepasirese. Saka, ndiri nyanzvi yefizikisi uye ndinotaura nenyanzvi dzefizikisi pasi rese. Kana iwe ukataura nezve maitiro aunofanirwa kugadzira mabasa, maitiro aunofanirwa kushandura nzira yatinoshanda nayo, magadzirirwo aunofanira kuita masangano ezvidzidzo, kazhinji iyo hurukuro yauinayo chete munyika. Ndichava nehurukuro muNetherlands uye Baojing achave nehurukuro kuChina, uye idzi ihurukuro dzakasiyana. Asi chaizvo, idzo nyaya dzakafanana nekuti dzinotungamirwa nemasimba makuru emagariro anokanganisa sainzi. Saka, chinhu chinoshamisa chinogona kuitwa neISC kuita hurukuro idzi. Kufambisa nhaurirano dzakadai kunopa simba nekuti vechidiki vazhinji vane mazano anotyisa. Chikamu chebasa reISC kuchinjana aya maitiro akanaka.
[05:08] Baojing Gu
Tine nyika imwe, imba imwe. Tinoda kuti pasi rose rishande pamwe chete, kunyanya panyaya dzekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze. Dunhu rimwe nerimwe rine nyaya dzaro. Uye saka, ndinofunga ISC ine chikuva chinotibvumira kukurukura nemumwe. Izvi zvinobatsira masayendisiti kuti anzwisise kugadzikana munzvimbo dzakasiyana dzepasi. Uye pakupedzisira, tinobatana senyika imwe.
[05:34] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Ndicho chinhu chakakosha chakataurwa naBaojing. Hatingakwanise kugadzirisa nyaya hombe idzi kana tisiri kudyidzana pasi rose.
[05:43] Izzie Clarke
Hongu, zvachose. Asi nekubatana uku kwepasirese kunouya kufamba, kutaurirana, uye dzimwe nguva zvinogona kuoma, kunyanya kana uri pakutanga kana pakati pebasa rako. Saka, Baojing, ndeapi matambudziko amakasangana nawo mukudyidzana nedzimwe nyika uye wakakwanisa sei kujairana nemamiriro ezvinhu aya?
[06:05] Baojing Gu
Ini ndinofunga pakutanga, semuongorori webasa rekutanga, kana uchikwanisa kuwana zviwanikwa zvekukutsigira kuti uite mubatanidzwa wenyika dzese, kunyangwe uine nguva uye zviwanikwa zvekubhadhara mutengo, izvo zvakakosha. Mazuvano, tinogona kubatanidza online, asi inoshanda zvakasiyana kana ukanyatsoenda kunosangana nevanhu, taura nevanhu. Mazano anobva mukunyemwerera kwavo. Kana kuti vakatsamwa. Unogona kunyatsonzwisisa vanhu nemativi akasiyana epasi kuburikidza nekukurukurirana vakatarisana.
[06:40] Izzie Clarke
Hongu, hapana mubvunzo kuti pane chimwe chinhu chakakosha pamusoro pekukurukurirana chiso nechiso. Asi izvo zvakare zvinotsamira pane zviwanikwa uye ndicho chinhu chekugadzirisa - ingave iyo mari, zvivakwa kana nguva - inobata masayendisiti pasirese. Saka, ndedzipi mhinduro kana zvimiro zvekutsigira zvaunofunga kuti ndizvo zvinonyanya kushanda kune vekutanga- uye vepakati-basa vaongorori?
[07:03] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Ini ndinofunga zvakakosha kutaura pfungwa iyi ichangobva kutaurwa naBaojing: zvakakosha kuve nekudyidzana uku kwemunhu. Asi muchikamu chekutanga chebasa rako, hauzive kuti vanhu ava vaunosangana navo vanogona kufamba newe basa rako rese, uye aya ndiwo mafambisirwo ehupenyu hwese anozobhadhara. Saka, ndinofunga kuti zvakakosha zvikuru kuti vanhu vanoronga misangano, zvikoro, zviitiko vave nechokwadi chokuti vane nzira uye zviwanikwa zvekutsigira vatsvakurudzi vaduku vanobva kumativi ose enyika, kunyanya Global South, kubva munzvimbo dzavanorambidzwa zvakanyanya mune zviwanikwa. Kuti tiwane kuenzana musainzi, zvakakosha kuti tiite zvakawanda kune avo vane zvishoma.
[07:56] Baojing Gu
Chaizvoizvo, ndakatora chikamu mumisangano yakati wandei yakaitwa neISC uye vakabhadhara mari yangu yese. Ndinoonga izvozvo zvikuru, uye kuti ndaigona kuenda kuKuala Lumpur uye kuOman. Ndinofunga kuti nzvimbo yakakosha. Ndinobvumirana naRobert kuti kana tikakwanisa kuita musangano muAfrica kana kune mamwe matunhu asina zvikwanisiro, asi tikaunza mamwe mativi enyika ikoko, zvinoita kuti vanhu vakawanda vanobva mudunhu iroro vapinde mumabasa akadai.
[08:33] Izzie Clarke
Saka, ngatitarisei mberi kune ramangwana. Ndeapi maitiro makuru ayo imi mese munoona maererano nemabasa esainzi, uye sei vekutanga- uye vepakati-basa vaongorori vanogona kunyatsovagadzirira?
[08:45] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Chandinoona chichiitika ndechekuti hupenyu hwemusayendisiti hahusisiri hwechikamu chimwe chete. Iwe unogona kuenda kune mamwe minda, iwe unogona kuve unoshingairira mukuparidzira veruzhinji, mukutaurirana. Uye, hongu, mamwe maitiro makuru ndeokuti isu tinotarisa kumubatanidzwa nekuti zvese izvo zvinodiwa zviri pasainzi, hapana munhu mumwechete anogona kuita semunhu mumwechete. Isu tinofanirwa kuzviita takabatana mukati memasangano edu, mukati memarudzi edu, uye munharaunda yepasirese. Mharidzo yangu huru kune vekutanga-basa masayendisiti: inzwa wakasununguka kuongorora iyo nzvimbo. Chengetedza iyo yekuongorora maitiro aunawo mukutsvaga kwako zvakare yebasa rako pachako, uye tsvaga yako wega nzira munzvimbo iyi yakakura yaunonzwa zvakanyanya kumba.
[09:38] Baojing Gu
Ndiri kufunga kuti ramangwana rinogona kunge rakagadzira chizvarwa chechidiki nerubatsiro rweAI, uye tinogona kuita mamwe mabasa ekugadzira. Uye isu hatingangoshandure sainzi chete, asiwo nyika - kuti vanhu vanobatana sei kune mumwe nemumwe, kuti vanhu vanotaura sei kune mumwe nemumwe. Isu tinovaka nzvimbo dzepamusoro-tekinoroji dzechizvarwa chidiki, tichivabvumira kuti vanyatsogadzira masisitimu matsva kana zvinhu zvinogona kutungamira vanhu kunhanho yedu inotevera. Chimwe chinhu kufunga kwakadzama. Patinoverenga, tingave tichishandisa kufunga kwokutsoropodza, tingave takanganisa pachedu kana kuti tinogona kuita zviri nani. Uye chechitatu chinonyanya kukosha chikamu ndechekuona nyika. Isu tinofanirwa kuenda kumunda, kuona nyika, kutaura nevagari kuti vanzwisise hupenyu hwavo, kuti vanzwisise nyika chaiyo. Uye tobva tabatanidza kufunga kwedu kwakadzama, kuverenga uye ruzivo rwakatozivikanwa, uye toona kana tichigona kugadzira mazano matsva ekusimudzira mune ramangwana.
[10:50] Izzie Clarke
Ndiyo pfungwa huru, ndeyekuteerera uye kuterera kune ese data rako, pamwe nenyika chaiyo uye iyo tsvakiridzo inokanganisa.
[11:00] Robbert Dijkgraaf
Ndingatiwo teerera inzwi rako remukati. Inyika yakaoma chaizvo yauri kufamba nayo, iyi gungwa rakakura. Asi ini ndinofunga mukati mako, une kambasi diki inokuudza kuti shungu dzako dziri papi, chii pamwe mavambo chaiwo epfungwa. Ita shuwa yekuteerera kune kazwi aka kari mukati mako, nekuti zvinokutungamirira mune ramangwana.
[11:25] Izzie Clarke
Zano guru. Ndinokutendai mose zvikuru nekubatana neni nhasi.
Kana iwe uri wekutanga- kana wepakati-basa muongorori uye uchida kuve chikamu chenharaunda yepasi rose yakataurwa naBaojing naRobert, zvino batana neInternational Science Council foramu yemasayendisiti ari kusimukira.
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