IInternational Science Council uye Nhengo yayo, iyo China Association yeSainzi neTekinoroji (Rashai), mukubatana na muzvarirwo, vakatangisa nhanhatu-zvikamu podcast nhevedzano inoongorora mamiriro ari kusimukira emabasa ekutsvagisa. Pakati pezvikamu zvakatevedzana, vatsvakurudzi vekutanga uye vepakati-basa vanokurukura nevasayendisiti vakuru, vachigovana zviitiko zvekukura, kubatana, uye kusimba mukutarisana nekuchinja kwekukurumidza.
Muchikamu chekupedzisira, mutori wenhau wesainzi Izzie Clarke inotaura na Muzvinafundo Yongguan Zhu (Chinese Academy yeSainzi, Mutevedzeri weMutungamiri weKuve nhengo yeISC) uye Dr Charah Watson (Scientific Research Council, Jamaica) pamusoro pekuti masayendisiti angabatirana sei pazvirango, zvikamu, uye miganhu.
Hurukuro inoongorora zvinonyatsorehwa ne "sainzi isina miganhu" - kubva mugari sainzi neruzivo rwechivanhu kuenda kune basa rekupa mazano, kutaurirana, uye kushingirira mukuvaka nharaunda dzesainzi dzepasirese. Vashanyi vese vari vaviri vanogovana maonero ega ega ekugadzira mikana, kukunda zvipingamupinyi, uye kukurudzira inosanganisirwa uye inopindirana tsvakiridzo yeramangwana rakagadzikana.
Izzie Clarke: 00:01
Mhoro uye tinokugamuchirai kune iyi yekupedzisira podcast, yakapihwa mukudyidzana neInternational Science Council, nerutsigiro rweChina Association for Science and Technology. Ndiri mutori wenhau wesainzi Izzie Clarke.
Pakati peiyi nhevedzano, takaongorora kuti masayendisiti madiki angafambise sei budiriro yebasa mune inogara ichichinja sainzi ecosystem. Uye, muchikamu chino chekupedzisira, tichakurukura ramangwana rekubatana kwesainzi.
Vanobatana neni ndiProfessor Yongguan Zhu vanobva kuChinese Academy of Sciences. Ndiye Director General weResearch Center yeEco-Environmental Sayenzi, uye zvakare Mutevedzeri weMutungamiri weKuve Nhengo yeInternational Science Council.
Yongguan Zhu: 00:43
Mhoro. Mhoro.
Izzie Clarke: 00:45
Uye Dr Charah Watson, Executive Director kuScientific Research Council muKingston, Jamaica.
Charah Watson: 00:51
Mhoro wakadii?
Izzie Clarke: 00:52
Zvakanaka, ndatenda.
Sayenzi nhasi yawedzera pasi rose uye yakabatana kupfuura kare. Saka, paunonzwa mutsara wekuti 'sainzi kuyambuka miganhu', zvinorevei kune mumwe nemumwe wenyu uye nei zvichikosha?
Charah, ungada kutanga pairi here?
Charah Watson: 01:07
Chokwadi. Saka, sainzi isina muganhu inoreva sainzi isina miganhu kana zvirambidzo zvenzvimbo, yetsika - chero chinhu. Nekuti sainzi ndeyechokwadi. Sainzi ndeyekutsvaga chokwadi chazvo zvese nekuzviburitsa kuti zvigone kushandiswa kufambisira mberi chero zvatiri kuedza kusimudzira.
Zvinova zvakakosha kuti misimboti yesainzi uye nzira dzesainzi dzitsigirwe kuitira kuti chero chatinopa chigovimbwa nacho. Uye pasina zvipingamupinyi, zvinobatsira kuvandudza chivimbo chesainzi yatiri kubudisa.
Izzie Clarke: 01:44
Zvamazvirokwazvo. Uye Yongguan, 'sainzi yekuyambuka miganhu' inorevei kwauri?
Yongguan Zhu: 01:48
Ndinofunga munyika ino yepasi rose, sainzi ndiwo mutauro wakajairika. Pamwe ndiwo chete mutauro wakajairika unokwanisa kubatanidza vanhu kuyambuka miganhu, mitauro uye zvipingamupinyi zvetsika. Saka, chimwe chinhu chatinogovana pamwe chete uye kusimudzira kubudirira kwevanhu pamwe chete mumusha uno wepasi rose.
Izzie Clarke: 02:15
Uye ungati sei tsvakiridzo yesainzi yakashanduka kupfuura maLab edzidzo uye masangano uye chero chinhu chakafanana neicho nguva pfupi yadarika, Yongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 02:28
Ini ndinofunga kuti nzanga inoda imwe shanduko sainzi inogona kubatsira shanduko yakananga kune yakasvibira uye ine hutano ramangwana. Saka, sainzi haisi kungogara mukati menharaunda yesainzi. Asi isu tinofanirwa kushandura zvatinowana kuita zvigadziriso zvematambudziko epasirese, uye zvakare kudzidzisa kune veruzhinji kuti vavandudze nzanga yese, kunyanya munharaunda yesainzi yekusimudzira, iyo inobata chaizvo nhengo yese yenharaunda, zvisinei nenzvimbo yako, hupfumi hwako uye hutano, nezvimwe.
Izzie Clarke: 03:09
Ehe, takanga tine chiitiko chekare apo mumwe wevaenzi vedu akataura nezve ino imwe nyika, isu tine imba imwe. Charah, unofungei nazvo?
Charah Watson: 03:18
Zvatakaona ndezvekukurudzira uku kwebhizimusi, iri kukurudzirwa, ichokwadi munharaunda yese, zvazvinoreva ndezvekuti kuwanikwa nekuvandudza matekinoroji, mhinduro, mazhinji ayo achashandisa misimboti yesainzi isiri kuitika mukati memarabhoritari, izvo zvisiri kuitika mukati mechikoro chedzidzo. Uye zvinodaro nekuti tese tiri kusangana nenyika pamwechete, tese tiri kusangana nematambudziko, saka saka vamwe vedu vanozotanga kufunga nezvemhinduro. Uye kana wangotanga kufunga saizvozvo, kazhinji uchawana sainzi ichiitika munharaunda.
Uye muno muJamaica, kunyanya, tine yatinodaidza kuti National Innovation Awards. Uye zvizhinji zvezvikumbiro zvemibairo iyi zvinobva kuvanhu vasina hukama nechero rudzi rwesangano, izvo zviri kuratidza kwatiri kuti vanhu vari kushandisa misimboti yesainzi kutsvaga mhinduro kumatambudziko ari kutarisana nawo.
Izzie Clarke: 04:19
Uye ini ndinofunga pane dingindira reizvozvo, ibasa ripi raunofunga kuti sainzi yevagari inofanira kuita mune ramangwana resainzi, zvakare?
Charah Watson: 04:29
A fundamental one. Vagari vepakati havagone kubviswa nekuti imwe yekutanga hwaro kwatiri inogara ichiongorora zviri kuitika pasi, kuwana zvaunoona. Uye ndekupi kwauchawana mazhinji acho kubva? The vagari. Uye ndinofara kuona kuti kana uchitaura nezvechivanhu, tsika dzechinyakare uye kufambira mberi kwakaitwa kubva kune izvo zvatiri kuona, zvakakosha kuti uone kuti unosanganisira vane ruzivo rweChivanhu, kuti varege kusarudzika zvachose.
Izzie Clarke: 05:01
Yongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 05:03
Ini ndinofunga nekuita vagari zvichabatsira kuparadzira sainzi. Ndiko kukosha kwekutanga. Chechipiri ndechekuti, nekubatanidza vagari zvakare, tinokurudzira vechidiki kuti vafarire sainzi kuitira kuti tigone kuumba zvizvarwa zvedu zvinotevera zvesainzi. Tinoda matarenda anoenderera mberi. Saka, ndinofunga kuti sainzi yevagari vanogonawo kuita basa mune izvozvo.
Izzie Clarke: 05:30
Hongu, zvachose.
Uye Charah, pane fungidziro dzipi nedzipi kana zvinonetsa pamusoro pechikamu-kana tsvakiridzo yepasirese yaungade kupikisa?
Charah Watson: 05:41
Zvakanaka, sainzi yekutsvagisa yakawanda, chero mhando yekuongorora, inoda kuyambuka-chikamu nzira. Hapana chiri kuitika uri wega. Uye imwe yemafungiro asiriwo ndeyekuti zvakaoma kana kuti hazvigoneke kuita, izvo zvisiri. Uye ndichashinga kutaura kuti ndizvo zvatagara tichiita. Asi ikozvino kuve nehungwaru uye nehunyanzvi hwekuita, uye kubatanidza madotsi kubva pakutanga chaiko pachinzvimbo chekuzvifungira kunze kwemugwagwa, uri kutarisa kuyambuka kwese.
Kukurukurirana kunogara kwakaoma, kunyanya kutaurirana kwesainzi chinhu chaunodzidzira uye unova nani pachiri. Nekuti kunyangwe pandinoenda kumisangano yesainzi, yakawanda inoenda pamusoro wangu nekuti tinotaura mune mamwe majagoni uye isu tiri kurasikirwa nemukana iwoyo wekutaurirana nechero. Tinoda nzira yekubatana mukugadzirisa nyaya kana matambudziko uye kuona kurongeka nezvikamu zvakasiyana zvingave zvichibatanidzwa.
Izzie Clarke: 06:46
Ehe, uye ndinofunga zvinoda kushinga, handizvo here, kutaura, chaizvo, unogona kuzvitsanangura here? Asi ini ndinofunga kana iwe uchishandira pamwe nevanhu kuti kutaurirana kwakakosha.
Uye Yongguan, ndeapi mamwe emikana uye zvipingamupinyi zvingangoitika, zvakare, izvo zvekutanga- uye zvepakati-basa vaongorori vanofanirwa kurangarira kana zvasvika pakushanda mhiri kwedzidzo, indasitiri, zvikamu zveveruzhinji kana nedzimwe nharaunda?
Yongguan Zhu: 07:14
Ini ndinofunga kune vekutanga-basa masayendisiti, vanofanirwa kunge vakagadzirira kusangana nematambudziko. Panogara paine zvinonetsa asi hatifanire kutya kuomerwa nekuti chese chatinoda kuzadzisa chinogara chiri kuedza kukunda zvipingaidzo. Saka, usatya matambudziko, shingirira.
Uye imwe pfungwa ndeyekuti isu tinofanira kugara tichifunga nezvemikana. Kunyange serendipities mubasa rangu pachangu, zvakawanda serendipities chaizvoizvo zvinotungamirira kukubudirira kubatana. Saka, isu tinofanirwa kunge tichitsvaga mikana uye nekubata mikana yekugadzira network. Izvi zvakakosha zvikuru.
Izzie Clarke: 08:01
Ehe, izano rakakura.
Saka, Charah, kubva pane zvawakasangana nazvo, nderipi danho rakatanhamara rawaive wadarika miganhu - ingave iri muzvikamu, zvidzidzo kana nyika dzakasiyana? Uye ndezvipi zvaungati zvimwe zvezvawakadzidza zvikuru kubva pane zvakaitika izvi?
Charah Watson: 08:19
Saka, kuScientific Research Council, basa redu rakawanda rakagadzirirwa kutsigira indasitiri yezvekurima yeJamaica. Isu tinofanirwa kudyidzana neakasiyana masangano ehurumende, vanodyidzana nedzimwe nyika, mamwe masangano ekutsvagisa epasi rose, nekuti izvo zvaunowana munyika diki seJamaica, nepo isu tine tarisiro yakawanda yekutsvagisa, isu hatina mukana wekuita zvese zvakasiyana zviitiko mukati mezvirongwa zvedu zvekutsvagisa.
Inodzoka zvakare kuti uve nechokwadi chekuti une zano rakajeka riri munzvimbo yekubata kutaurirana nekudyidzana. Uye ndinotenda kuti tave panguva yatinogona kuratidza zvakajeka uye kutaurirana nevatinoshanda navo. Tinokwanisa kuwana mari yepasi rose. Uye iwe unoona kuti nyika zhinji dziri kusimukira dzine kunetseka ikoko. Kunyangwe paine mukana wekuwana mari, pane kusarongeka kwehurongwa. Uye izvo zvinouya zvakanyanya kuburikidza nekusataurirana, kusave nechivimbo chakakwana chekutaura izvo zvaunoda uye kuti ungakwana sei, pane kungotora uye kuti hongu.
Izzie Clarke: 09:32
Pane here chawawana, kunyanya, chinokubatsira kufamba mumamiriro ezvinhu akadaro?
Charah Watson: 09:39
Ehe. Zvinouya pakuvaka hukama. Iwe urikunzwisisa kuti munhu wega wega, nyika imwe neimwe inobva kupi kuitira kuti zvauri kusimudzira pamwe chete, zvauri kugadzira pamwe chete, zvinonyatsoenderana uye zvinobuda zvinofambirana nezvinangwa zvedu zvese.
Izzie Clarke: 09:59
Uye Yongguan, kune vaongorori vachangotanga, vangatanga sei kuwana kana kugadzira iyo mitsva yemikana yekubatana?
Yongguan Zhu: 10:10
Zano rangu nderekuti usanyare, vhura pfungwa. Uye, zvakare, isu tinowanzo kutaura kuti mikana ndeye pfungwa dzakagadzirirwa, asi izvo hazvina kukwana. Chaizvoizvo, isu tinofanirwa kuve takasununguka kugadzira mikana yekusimudzira basa rako. Tsvaga mikana uye gadzira mikana yekubatana.
Charah Watson: 10:34
Ini ndinobvumirana zvachose naYongguan. Mukana unofarira pfungwa dzakagadzirira uye kugadzira yako mikana, kugadzira yako mikova, uye kunyange kuivhura iwe pachako uye kuratidza vamwe kuti iwe unogona kufamba mauri - uye kufamba neni - kwakakosha.
Kwandiri, ndakabatsirwa zvakanyanya kubva kune varairidzi vakuru. Uye vakandisarudza. Uye panofanira kunge paine chimwe chinhu pamusoro pekuve ndakasununguka, zvichiratidza kuti handizivi zvinhu zvakawanda uye ndinoda kudzidza zvimwe zvinhu. Uye vapi vemazano vakakwana, vanhu chaivo vanogona kukutsigira, vachauya pabhodhi.
Izzie Clarke: 11:13
Uye ndinofunga izvo zvinodzokera kune zvinenge zvataurwa naYongguan pakutanga, zvakare - ingotarisa iyo mikana uye ubate iyo pavanenge vazvizivisa.
Saka, uchitarisa kune ramangwana, chii chinonyanya kukufadza pamusoro pekuti sainzi nemabasa esainzi ari kunanga kupi?
Charah Watson: 11:29
Saka, chinondifadza chinodzokera kumubvunzo wako wekutanga, unova sainzi pakati pezvidzidzo, zvikamu nesainzi pasina murume kana murume. Zvino, iwe uri kutora chikamu kubva kune vese varume uye izvo zvinoshamisa, kunyanya kuve mukadzi uye kuziva kuti sainzi inoyerwa nehuremu hwayo pane kuti ndiani ari kuzviita uye kwairi kuitwa.
Izzie Clarke: 11:57
Uye kana iwe ukakwanisa kupa chidimbu chezano kune vekutanga- uye vepakati-basa vaongorori vachitarisira kuumba ramangwana resainzi, chingave chii? Charah?
Charah Watson: 12:07
Vaka hukama usati wahuda. Ndidzo dzechokwadi uye dzinogara kwenguva refu. Unoda timu. Saka, zvakakosha kuti uzive zvauri, zvakakosha. Wobva wabuda uvake hukama ihwohwo pasina tarisiro mukudzoka, uye izvo zvinokutsigira mune chero basa, ingave sainzi, bhizinesi, chero zvauri kuita. Ziva kuti ndiwe ani, ziva chikonzero chako uye kuvaka hukama usati waakuda.
Izzie Clarke: 12:36
Uye Yongguan?
Yongguan Zhu: 12:37
Ehe. Zano rangu ringave rekuyedza kupfuura zvakajairwa miganhu yesainzi chirango mazuva ano, nekuti tiri kuramba tichiwedzera kudyidzana uye isu tinofanirwa kuwedzera chiono chedu nepatinogona napo. Zvakafanana nekukwira gomo - paunokwira kumusoro, ndipo paunoona mufananidzo wakadzama. Nekuona mufananidzo mukuru, uchawana mikana yakawanda, mamwe matambudziko aunogona kugadzirisa mumabasa ako emangwana. Ndiro zano diki randaizopa. Ndatenda.
Izzie Clarke: 13:16
Kwete, ndatenda. Uye ndinokutendai mose nekubatana neni nhasi.
Kana iwe uri wekutanga- kana wepakati-basa muongorori uye uchida kuvaka hukama hwehunyanzvi kuyambuka miganhu, wobva wajoinha International Science Council foramu yemasayendisiti ari kusimukira.
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