Kushanda sainzi podcast: Zvirinani vanobatana, nani sainzi

Muchikamu chechitatu che muzvarirwo 'Kushanda Sayenzi' podcast series iine manzwi kubva kune network yeISC, tinotarisa basa revanobatana munzvimbo dzebasa dzesainzi nenzvimbo dzesimba rekuita kuti sainzi isanganise maonero akasiyana. Ineke Sluiter inotaura nezve kupindira kwakabudirira kuwedzera nhamba yenhengo dzevakadzi paRoyal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences, uko ari Mutungamiriri. ISC Patron uye aimbova Mutungamiriri weIreland, Mary Robinson, anogovera mashandisiro aakaita nevamwe vatungamiriri vechikadzi kubatsira kupa izwi kuvakadzi vakashongedzwa pamberi pekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze.

Teerera kune podcast uye uwane yakazara chinyorwa pazasi:

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Ineke Sluiter: Ndinoona matarenda, vechidiki vari kuuya, pfungwa, hunyanzvi hwekugadzira, nzira yavanopupuma nayo nesimba. Uye zvinondishungurudza zvikuru kana ndikaona simba iroro rapera.

Mary Robinson: Pakutanga, vaifanira kukurudzirwa kuti inzwi ravo rinokosha. Asi pavakangosimbiswa nenzira iyoyo, vakanga vachigona kutaura uye vaitaura kubva muruzivo rwokuzviwanira rwoupenyu. Vakafara uye vakapihwa simba - waizviona.

Marnie Chesterton: Tikugashirei kune iyi podcast yakatevedzana kubva kuInternational Science Council, kwatiri kuongorora kusiyana kwesainzi. Ini ndiri Marnie Chesteron, uye muchikamu chino tiri kutarisa nezvebasa revanobatana munzvimbo yebasa uye nzvimbo dzesimba. Kuva mubatsiri kungabatsira sei kuita kuti sainzi ive yakabatana nemaonero akasiyana? Uye matanho api anoshanda atingatora tose kutsigira izvozvo?

Ineke Sluiter: Kana ukaregeredza kusiyana uye kusanganisirwa, zvinongoreva kuti uchapotsa tarenda, ucharasikirwa nevanhu vane zvipo, uye isu hatizvikwanisi. Kurasa. Saka ndiko kurasikirwa kwemaacademy sese.

Marnie Chesterton: Uyu ndiIneke Sluiter, Purofesa weChigiriki Chekare paYunivhesiti yeLeiden kuNetherlands, uye Mutungamiriri weRoyal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences, rimwe remasangano enhengo dzeISC. Yakavambwa pakutanga kwezana ramakore rechi 19 seacademy yezvirango zvese-vanhu, pamwe nesainzi, zvemagariro uye zvekurapa. Nhengo dze Academy dzinosarudzwa kubva kumayunivhesiti echiDutch, uye semasangano mazhinji esainzi, chimiro chenhengo dzavo hachina kugara chakasiyana zvakanyanya.

Ineke Sluiter: Saka muna 2011, vangangoita 16% yenhengo dze Academy vaive vanhukadzi. Saka iyo nhamba yakaderera chaizvo, uye yakakwira zvishoma nezvishoma kusvika 19% muna 2014. Uye parizvino, mushure mekutora matanho akati wandei, muna 2020, yaive pa31%, yatinodada nayo. Nokuti ndinofanira kutaura kuti, mukururama, kumiririra kwekutanga kwakashata kwaiva kuratidzwa kwevarombo vanomiririra muDutch academia, kazhinji. Uye chimwe chinhu chakakosha cheiyi nyaya yeAcademy yaive pombi inodonha muDutch academia zvachose, uko, pakati pevadzidzi, vakadzi vanomiririrwa zvishoma pane pakati pevadzidzi vePhD, inenge yakaenzana uyezve pane imwe nhanho inofambira mberi yezvidzidzo. basa, tinowanzorasikirwa nevakadzi.

Marnie Chesterton: Kuburikidza nebasa rayo rekuwedzera kuenzana kwevakadzi musainzi, ISC yanga ichitarisa mafambiro kubva pakuziva kuenda kushanduko. Nekuti kunyangwe tanga tichitaura nezvekumiririrwa kuri nani kwevakadzi musainzi kwenguva yakareba, izvo hazviwanzo kuratidzwa muhuwandu.

Maererano nechirongwa cheThe Gender Gap in Science, chinotsigirwa neISC, zviitiko zvevakadzi mune zvese zvedzidzo nemabasa zvinogara zvisina kunaka pane zvevarume. Inopfuura chikamu chimwe muzvina chemhinduro dzevakadzi musainzi yese yakashuma kusangana nekunetswa pabonde kuyunivhesiti kana kubasa. Vakadzi vaive nemukana wegumi neina kupfuura varume kuti vataure kushungurudzwa ivo pachavo, uye nguva dzose vakataura hukama hushoma hwakanaka nevapi vapi vezano vechiremba. 

Saka, kana tichiziva nezve nyaya, tingashandura sei mamiriro acho? Uyu mubvunzo wakanetsawo Ineke.

Ineke Sluiter: Saka zvino mubvunzo ndewekuti, chii chatingaite? Tinogona kusarudza kuzviyananisa nekutevera maitiro aya ekukura zvishoma nezvishoma kwechikamu chevadzidzi vechikadzi, kana kuratidza hutungamiriri kubva kumusoro nekuti zvinoita mutsauko. Ini ndinofunga zvinogara zvichidzika kune imwechete mapoinzi, kuziva, kuoneka, uye ushingi hwekupindira.

Marnie Chesterton: Uye pindira ivo vakaita. Muna 2017, makore zana mushure mekunge Muzvinafundo Johanna Westerdijk agadzwa kuve purofesa wekutanga wechikadzi akazara muNetherlands, Academy yakacherekedza makore zana nekudaidzira kwakakosha kudomwa kwenhengo dzevakadzi. 

Ineke Sluiter: Chinhu chinoshamisa chaive, dzimwe nguva academy inosarudza vanhu vakadomwa kanopfuura kamwe. Asi boka rose iri revanoda kukwikwidza takanga tisina kumboriona. Uye kunaka kwemanominations kwaive kunoshamisa. Saka funga nezvekuonekwa-sezviri pachena, nekuti isu takanga takoka vamiriri, mapurezidhendi emayunivhesiti kuti vatitumire mazita evakadzi vavo vepamusoro, ivo zvino vavaona nemaziso matsva. Vakavawana sezvavaive. Vaive basa ravo pamwe nebasa ravo guru, vakawana matarenda mumasangano avo, zvaive zvakanakisa. Uye semhedzisiro, kwete yechiyero ichocho chete, isu tava nenhengo dzechikadzi dzinopfuura makumi matatu kubva muzana muruwadzano rwedu, saka tiri kumberi kweiyo curve. Izvo zviri nani pane kuedza kumayunivhesiti eDutch. Icho chiri pamagumo epamusoro pane chero yunivhesiti ine. Uye ndinofunga ndiko kutungamirira kubva kumusoro. Zvinoratidza chiyero chinoshanda chaizvo. Inoshanda mhando yepamusoro sekuedza. Uye nekuyanana kwese. Zviri zvechokwadi kuvandudzika.

Marnie Chesterton: Saka, Ineke ane zano ripi kune vamwe vari kutsvaga kutanga rwendo rwavo rwekuchinja?

Ineke Sluiter: Chekutanga, zvinobatsira kuwana vanobatana kuti vagadzire network, vakadzi vanogona zvakare kubatsirana chaizvo ipapo. Asi uyu waitove mubvunzo waigona kumutswa nevarume nevakadzi, varume vanowanzo ziva kuti pane zviri kuitika. Uye mubvunzo ndewokuti, chii chaungaita? Pane matanho maviri. Chekutanga ziva nyaya idzi dzekusaziva. Saka simudza ruzivo, zvichenjerere iwe pachako. Chechipiri poindi, isu taizogara tichikurudzira kutsvaga zano renyanzvi. Kune vanhu vane basa rekudzidza zvinhu izvi uye vanoziva nezvazvo. Vakumbire kuti vaongorore maitiro ari musangano rako kana dhipatimendi rako kana timu yako, chokwadi, manhamba, kuitira kuti ugone kushanda zvichibva paruzivo rwechokwadi, wozogadzira zvinangwa nezviito. Uye pakupedzisira, ita shuwa kuti unotarisisa zvawanikwa kuitira kuti iwe uone zvinoshanda nezvisingaite. Uye pamwe chinonyanya kukosha kuchengeta tariro nekuti tinenge tichisvika ikoko.

Marnie Chesterton: Kuve nevabatsiri pamatanho ese-kubva pasi kusvika kuhutungamiriri-kwakakosha kuita shanduko. Mumwe munhu anogona kupupurira izvi ndiMary Robinson-mukadzi wekutanga Mutungamiriri weIreland uye mutsigiri weInternational Science Council. Pamusangano wavo wekutanga weUN wekuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze muCopenhagen, COP15, akaona kushomeka chaiko kwekumiririra kubva kuvakadzi. 

Mary Robinson: Yakanga iri murume, yaive yakanyanya hunyanzvi, uye haina kubatanidza maonero evakadzi. Nhume dzainge dziri nyanzvi, dzichitaura nezve clauses nendima uye dzichirwisa kona yavo pashoko rega rega, asi ivo vaive vasingatarisire murume kana mukadzi, vane hanya nezvazvinoita padanho repasi, kana mamiriro ekunze asingatarisirwe akadaro achiparadza goho rako, uye unogona. Usaisa zvokudya patafura, uye unofanira kuenda mberi nokuda mvura. 

Marnie Chesterton: Mary akatanga kupinda misangano yeCOP pamusoro pekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze sekunge vamwe vakadzi vakati wandei vaiuya pamberi munhaurirano dzemamiriro ekunze, uye kuva nemafungiro akafanana muzvigaro zvemasimba kwakakosha.

Mary Robinson: Takasarudza kuti tichaumba network yevakadzi pamusoro pevakadzi nemamiriro ekunze izvo zvaizosanganisira vashumiri vechikadzi nevakuru vemasangano. Uye tinoitumidza kuti Troika plus yevakadzi vatungamiri pamusoro pehutano nemamiriro ekunze. Takaronga kugadzirisa sarudzo pamusoro pekuenzanisa kwevanhukadzi, iyo yaizove nemakore gumi nemusangano unotevera.

Changa chakanakira dunhu rakafara revanhukadzi, iro rakanga richishanda nesimba, asi risinganyanyi kukosha pavarume. Uye zvakasimbiswa netiweki iyi yevafundisi vechikadzi vachibatsira, tikabva tawana chirongwa chekuita nezvevakadzi. Uye isu tave nekuwedzera kwehurongwa hwekuita kwevakadzi, uye murume kana mukadzi ari kuoneka zvakanyanya, kunyangwe zvakadaro zvisati zvatorwa zvakaringana nekuti isu hatisati tave kuona, munoziva, yakazara 50/50 chiyero parity munhume uye mumakomiti. . Uye isu hatisati tave kuona kupindurwa kwevakadzi kwaizobatsira mumamiriro ekunze. Saka pachine basa rekuita, asi isu tabva kure.

Marnie Chesterton: Chikamu chebudiriro iyi chave kuburikidza nenetiweki kudzidzisa uye kusimudzira manzwi evakadzi-kunyanya mapoka akasarirwa zvakanyanya.

Mary Robinson: MuCOPs pamberi peParis, takaona kukosha kwekuwana manzwi akasiyana, kusiyana-siyana munhaurirano nevatungamiriri vechikadzi vaive vashumiri vaive munhumwa dzavo, vakadzi vepasi, vakadzi veko, vakadzi vechidiki, uye manzwi avo, senhume dzakazara. patafura, uye nokudaro vachikwanisa kuva pamapuranga, nenhume dzichiteerera, dzichikwanisa kutaura dziri pasi nenhume dzakateerera dzakanga dzine simba chairo.

Marnie Chesterton: Pamwe nekumisa shanduko yemamiriro ekunze ine njodzi, Zvinangwa zveUN Sustainable Development Goals zvinosanganisira kupedza nzara nehurombo, nekuvandudza hutsanana nedzidzo pasi rose. Kuenzana kwevarume nevakadzi - chinova chimwe chezvinangwa gumi nenhanhatu - chakakosha pakuzadzisa zvimwe. 

Mary Robinson: Mune podcast yangu, isu tine byline, zvinova nemaune zvinotsamwisa kwatinoti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze idambudziko rakagadzirwa nemurume rinoda mhinduro yevakadzi. Uye zvechokwadi, ndinogara ndichitsanangura kuti yakagadzirwa nemunhu ndeye generic. Zvinosanganisira isu tose, uye kuti mhinduro yevakadzi ine tarisiro inosanganisira varume vakawanda sezvinobvira, uye ndipo patinoona chaizvo kuti murume kana mukadzi nenzira yakakodzera isingaonekwe senyaya yemukadzi, asi ichionekwa senyaya yakakosha kune vese varume uye kwandiri, munoziva, vashandi vesainzi vakasiyana-siyana uye vanosanganisirwa vanotora kubva muhukuru hwakakura hwemashure, maonero ezviitiko, kuitira kuti zviwedzere hunyanzvi uye hunyanzvi hwesainzi. 

Marnie Chesterton: Kuva mubatsiri kunoreva kuziva kuti kugadzirisa kusiyana uye kubatanidzwa ibasa kwatiri tose. Haisi nyaya yevanhu vasina kumiririrwa zvishoma, ingave iri munzvimbo dzebasa dzesainzi, maacademy kana muhurukuro dzesainzi.

Nekufunga nezve izvo mumwe nemumwe wedu anogona kuita, tese tinogona kuva vabatsiri vari nani- uye izvo zvinobatsira sainzi pachayo kuti ienderere mberi.

Ndozvazviri zvechikamu chino pamusoro pekusiyana kwesainzi kubva kuInternational Science Council. ISC iri kushanda nevabatsiri kutsigira zvidzidzo zviviri pamusoro pekubatanidzwa uye kutora chikamu kwevakadzi musainzi-iyo GenderInSite ongororo uye Gender Gap muSainzi chirongwa. Unogona kuwana rumwe ruzivo nezve zvese izvi online, pa council.science.

Vhiki rinouya tichange tichitaura nevaviri vebasa resainzi nezve kukosha kwekuita kuti nzvimbo dzebasa dzesainzi dzive dzakachengeteka uye dzinogamuchirwa kune vese vanoongorora. Uye tichange tichitarisa matanho anoshanda ayo masangano akaita seISC anogona kutora kutsigira kubatanidzwa uye rusununguko rwekutaura rweLGBTQIA+ nemamwe mapoka madiki mukati mesainzi.

Ineke Sluiter FBA ndiye Purofesa wechiGiriki chekare paLeiden University uye Mutungamiriri we Royal Netherlands Academy yeArt uye Sainzi. Iye inhengo yekutanga yeAthena's Angels, boka revakadzi vana vepamusoro vadzidzi vanosimudzira mikana yakaenzana yevarume nevakadzi muzvidzidzo. Iye ndiye anogamuchira Mubairo we2010 Spinoza uye anotungamira chirongwa chakakura chekutsvagisa paGreco-Roman Antiquity, inonzi 'Anchoring Innovation'.

Mary Robinson ndiye Patron weISC. Robinson akashanda seMutungamiri weIreland kubva 1990-1997 uye UN High Commissioner for Human Rights kubva 1997-2002. Ndiye Sachigaro weVakuru, uye anogashira mibairo yakawanda uye mibairo inosanganisira yePresident Medal of Freedom kubva kuMutungamiriri weUnited States Barack Obama. Pakati pa2013 na2016 Mary akashanda seMunyori Mukuru weNhume Yakakosha.

Tsvaga zvimwe nezvebasa reISC ku kuwedzera kuenzana kwevakadzi musainzi yepasi rose, kuburikidza nekugovana kwakavandudzwa uye kushandiswa kwehumbowo hwemitemo yevarume uye zvirongwa mumasangano esainzi nemasangano pamatunhu enyika, dunhu nepasirese.

ISC yakatanga iyi podcast yakatevedzana kuti ienderere mberi kudzamisa nhaurirano pakuwedzera kubatanidzwa uye kuwana munzvimbo dzesainzi dzesainzi nemasangano esainzi, sechikamu chekuzvipira kwedu kuita sainzi yakaenzana uye inosanganisirwa. Iyi nhevedzano inosimbisa basa riri kuitwa kuburikidza neakasiyana ISC zvirongwa, mapurojekiti nemanetiweki, uye kunyanya hurongwa huripo pa. Kurwisana nehurongwa hwerusaruraganda nemamwe marudzi erusarura, uye pamusoro Kuenzana kwevakadzi mune zvesainzi. Bata pane ese episodhi pano.