Masayendisiti nevaongorori vari kuwedzera kukoshesa ngano dzesainzi nekuda kwezvipo zvadzo mukutarisira zviitiko zveramangwana. Sechikamu chechinangwa chayo chekuongorora mafambiro umo shanduko musainzi nesainzi masisitimu dziri kutitungamira, iyo Center for Science Futures akagara pasi nevanyori vatanhatu vanotungamira vengano dzesainzi kuti vaunganidze maonero avo ekuti sainzi ingaite sei matambudziko mazhinji emagariro atichasangana nawo mumakumi emakore anotevera. Iyo podcast iri mukudyidzana ne muzvarirwo.
Chikamu chechipiri chine munyori weBarbadian Karen Lord, ane bhuku razvino, Nyika yeBlue, Yakanaka, rakabudiswa muna August 2023. Takanzwa kwaari zvidzidzo kubva padenda reCOVID, zvenguva pfupi, uye simba remabhuku kuti asvike nenguva.
Karen Lord munyori akahwina mubairo we Kudzikinura muIndigo, Yakanakisisa Panyika Dzese Dzinobvira, uye Iyo Galaxy Game, uye mupepeti wezvinyorwa Nyika Itsva, Nzira dzekare: Nhau dzekufungidzira kubva kuCaribbean.
Karen Ishe
Karen Lord munyori ane mukurumbira nemabasa ake ekuhwina mibairo anosanganisira Kudzikinura muIndigo, Yakanakisisa Panyika Dzese Dzinobvira, uye Iyo Galaxy Game, anoshandawo semupepeti wezvinyorwa Nyika Itsva, Nzira dzekare: Nhau dzekufungidzira kubva kuCaribbean. Bhuku rake razvino, The Blue, Nyika Yakanaka, rakabudiswa muna Nyamavhuvhu 2023. Anobva kuBarbados, kuWest Indies.
Paul Shrivastava (00:03):
Mhoroi, ndini Paul Shrivastava anobva kuPennsylvania State University. Uye mune ino podcast yakatevedzana, ndiri kutaura kune vamwe vemazuva ano vanyori vengano dzesainzi. Ndinoda kunzwa maonero avo pamusoro peramangwana resainzi, uye kuti inofanira kushandura sei kuti isangane nematambudziko atinosangana nawo mumakore ari mberi.
Karen Lord (00:23):
Rudzii rwechimiro chatinofanira kuvaka icho chiri pamusoro pekutonga kwenguva refu?
Paul Shrivastava (00:29):
Nhasi, ndiri kutaura naKaren Lord, munyori weBarbadian akahwina mubairo, ane chinyorwa chazvino, Nyika yeBlue, Yakanaka, inofungidzira kushanduka kwenyika yedu mushure mekutanga kusangana nevatorwa. Karen anonyorawo nezvesociology yechitendero, tsika uye tsika. Hurukuro yedu yakabata zvidzidzo kubva padenda reCOVID, zvenguva pfupi, uye simba remabhuku kusvika nenguva. Ndinovimba unonakidzwa nazvo.
Titambire, Karen. Ndinokutendai nekuva chikamu chechirongwa ichi. Unogona here kutiudza zvishoma nezve nzira yako uye hukama nesainzi nekunyora ngano dzesainzi?
Karen Lord (01:16):
Saka ndakakura ndichiita zvesainzi, ndakakura ndichifarira ngano dzesainzi. Chidzidzo changu chepasi raive dhigirii resainzi, asi kunyanya, yaive nhoroondo yesainzi uye tekinoroji. Uye panguva iyoyo, ndakaona, zvakanaka, pamwe ndinogona kusanganisa sainzi nehunyanzvi. Yangu masters yekutanga yaive yesainzi uye tekinoroji policy. Pashure paizvozvo, ndakakwanisa kushanda kwenguva yakati muBazi redu Rezvekune dzimwe nyika. Saka zvakandipa ruzivo rwemafambisirwo aunofanirwa kufambisa ruzivo rwerabhoritari kusvika pakuitwa mukati menyika chaiyo, sokunge zvakadaro.
Paul Shrivastava (01:44):
Iwe uri rudzi rwemunhu asingawanzo aive nesainzi kumashure uye akapinda mukuita zvesainzi marongero nekuita. Asi kazhinji, ndevezvematongerwo enyika vanowana mhedzisiro yesainzi, uye vanokanganwa nezvemibvunzo yetsika iyo masayendisiti angave akanetsekana nawo. Tinoita sei kuti masayendisiti abude munzvimbo yavo yekunyaradza, yekuita sainzi, munzvimbo yekuita, kubatsira vanhu vakaita sewe vari muhutongi kana muhurongwa hwehurongwa?
Karen Lord (02:14):
Saka ini ndichadzosera kumashure zvishoma pane zvauri kutaura, nekuti unenge uchiita kuti zvinzwike kuti masayendisiti vanhu vakanaka, uye vezvematongerwo enyika kana vagadziri vemitemo ndivo vakaipa. Asi dzimwe nguva, inopinduka. Kana uine musayendisiti, une mumwe munhu akatarisa mune imwe nzvimbo uye anogona kunge aine nzvimbo yakamanikana yekuona, uye ivo pachavo vangave vasingazive zvachose kuti zvavanowana zvingawedzerwe sei nenzira dzavangave vasina kufunga. Saka zvirokwazvo inhaurirano yandinofunga kuti tinofanira kunge tichitsvaga. Imhinduro mumativi ese.
Paul Shrivastava (02:46):
Ehe, ndinobvumirana newe zvakanyanya. Ndinoreva, takaona pasi peCOVID, zvirinani mumamiriro ezvinhu eUnited States, sainzi yaive yakanyanya, mukuona kwangu, yakajeka nezve kudiwa kwejekiseni. Asi hurukuro yezvematongerwo enyika yakanga isina kujeka, uye pane mubvunzo uyu wezvatingadzidza kubva mumatambudziko aya uye zviitiko zvehutano. Uye makazvibata mumabhuku enyu. Denda Vanachiremba chaive chiporofita chakanyanya. Ndinoreva, zvinoita sekufanotaura zvakaitika muCOVID. Tiudze zvishoma nezvebasa iroro.
Karen Lord (03:17):
So Denda Vanachiremba, zvakanaka. Iyo yaive nyaya yandakanyorera anthology nezve remangwana rehutano, neRobert Wood Johnson Foundation. Uye panguva yandakanyora, ndakainyora, yaive pakati pa2019, saka takanga tisati tanzwa nezveCOVID. Asi ndakaita rombo rakanaka pakuti ndaiva nemumwe wandinoshanda naye uyo, iye chiremba, uye ndaigona kuenda kwaari ndichiti, ndinoda pathogen inoita izvi nokuti ndinoda kuva nemigumisiro iyi munhoroondo yangu. Saka, munoziva, haisi hutachiona munyaya iyi, ihwo hutachiona. Inoshanda nenzira yezvikamu zviviri, apo pane chikamu chakapfava uyezve chikamu chakakosha. Nekuti izvi zvakaiswa zvishoma mune ramangwana, uye ini ndaida kuita kuti zviite sekunge paifanira kunge paine chimwe chinhu chakatipinza mukunzwa kuchengetedzwa kwenhema masystem edu ehutano asati angoremerwa, uye zvese zvinotanga kuparara.
Ndaona zvino ndichitarisa kumashure, kuti ndakanga ndisingachanyanyi kunetseka pamusoro pekuti masystems ehutano evanhu anogona kukurirwa nekukurumidza sei. Kunyangwe kune chimwe chinhu chisiri chekunyepedzera sezvandakanyora nezvazvo, pakanga pachine nzira dzatakanga tisina kugadzirira chiyero.
Paul Shrivastava (04:21):
Ini ndinoda kusundira zvakadzika mukati mazvo maererano nezvidzidzo zvatisina kudzidza semhedzisiro yeCOVID. Iwe unodzokera zvino makore matatu gare gare, uye zvivakwa hazvina kushanduka zvakanyanya. Taenderera mberi kune dambudziko rinotevera. Saka tinodzidza sei chidzidzo?
Karen Lord (04:41):
Isu tine mamiriro ezvinhu, nyika zhinji umo izwi rezvematongerwo enyika riri makore mana kusvika mashanu. Uye ini ndinofunga kuti une ethos yekufunga kwenguva pfupi, asi hausi kuuya kune vanhu vari kufunga, senge, chii chandinofanira kuisa icho chinobatsira nyika makore makumi mashanu kubva zvino? Rudzii rwechimiro chatinofanira kuvaka chiri pamusoro pehutongi kwenguva refu, chinotarisa zvinhu zvakanyanya kudzika pasi, chinotarisa chatinofanira kuita kuti tichengetedze?
Iwe unoziva, hapana chimwe chezvinhu izvi mhinduro dziri nyore, asi ini ndinoda kufunga kuti ivo vanove nyore kana tichibva kune seti yenheyo nheyo. Ndiri kushandisa izwi rekuti musimboti mukufunga kwesainzi izvozvi, kwete mupfungwa yetsika, kwete nepfungwa ine kukosha. Hautombofanire kubatanidza pfungwa yekuzvifunga pairi. Inogona kunge iri nyaya yekuti, tinoita sei kuti zvinhu zvive nyore kune wese munhu makore zana kubva zvino?
Paul Shrivastava (05:38):
Hongu, izvo zvinonakidza. Iwe wakaburitsa 50-makore, 100-makore nguva horizons. Kunyangwe izvo zvipfupi zvichienzaniswa nenguva dze geological dzatiri kutanga kufunga nezvazvo, iyo Anthropocene. Saka ngano dzesainzi dzine basa here mukufunga patsva nezvenguva yatiri kurarama mairi?
Karen Lord (06:00):
Zvakanaka, ngano dzesainzi dzave dzichiita izvi kwenguva yakareba. Tagara tiine, zvese zveramangwana redu riri pedyo, remangwana redu, budiriro yevatorwa kure kure, mifungo yekuedza kuti ingave yakaita sei, zvazvinofanira kunge zvakaita.
Chimwe chinhu chinondifadza pamusoro pezvinyorwa, angave enganonyorwa dzesainzi kana nhetembo kana chimwe chinhu, ndechekuti inzira yedu imwe yekutaurirana muzvizvarwa zvese. Ndinogona kutora chimwe chinhu chakanyorwa nemumwe munhu makore mazana maviri apfuura, makore 200 apfuura, uye zvinondipa muchidimbu mune izvo tariro yavo uye kutya kwavo kweramangwana kungave kwave. Dzimwe nguva, chokwadi cheicho chakakwana kushandura tsono mumusoro mako uye funga, zvakanaka, kana mazwi achigona kugara kwenguva refu iyi, kana mazwi achigona kuve nechirevo ichi kure neakatanga, saka ndezvipi zvimwe zvinhu zvandinofanira kutarisa izvo. Ndinofanirawo kuva nechirevo mberi kubva pandiri izvozvi?
Paul Shrivastava (06:54):
Ndinoshamisika kuti pfungwa dzako ndedzipi nezve mashandisiro atingaite sainzi kuti tiuye neakaenzana uye akajairika-chinangwa seti yekukurudzira kutevera pane kurega imwe hombe system kutiza navo.
Karen Lord (07:12):
Saka kune vanhu vazhinji, ngano yesainzi ndeyechokwadi nezveiyo yakaoma sainzi. Zviri pamusoro, munoziva, regai ndifungidzire tekinoroji iyi uye kuti inovandudza sei zvinhu. Uye inogara yakaputirwa nefizikisi uye nyeredzi. Asi kune rimwe bazi resainzi ngano, rinova iro ngano yesainzi yezvemagariro. Uye inotarisa kuti "Nzanga dzinoshanda sei?", "Matongerwo enyika anogona sei kushanduka?", "Utongi hunogona sei kushanduka?" Vazhinji vandinoshanda navo, nhasi uno, avo vari kutarisawo izvozvo, unovawana vachidya munyika yavo, vachivaka iyi pfungwa yese yekuti isu sevanhu tinoshanduka sei, uye kukura nekushanduka. Uye maererano nekuita kwedu pamwe chete, pane chimwe chinhu chinoshamisa kutaurwa nezve kufungidzira dzimwe nzira dzekuve sevanhu.
Paul Shrivastava (07:54):
Zvakanaka, izvo zvinoshamisa. Uye novel yako yapfuura, Yakanakisisa Panyika Dzese Dzinobvira. ine hanya nekuchengetedzwa kwetsika nenhaka, nepo chinyorwa chako chazvino uno, Nyika yeBlue, Yakanaka, inobata nekushandurwa kwenyika yedu nekutanga kusangana nevatorwa. Uye zvinoratidzika kwandiri kuti kune rudzi rwekukakavadzana kwechisikigo pakati pekuchengetedza nekushandura.
Karen Lord (08:20):
Zvamazvirokwazvo. Nekuti kunyange zvinhu zvatinofunga setsika netsika yedu zvazvino zvinogadzirwa nenzira yakati. Ndichiri kuyeuka kuvhunduka kwandakaita pandakatanga kuziviswa kuti matartan eScottish auri kuona nhasi aive rudzi rwechinyakare kugadzirwa, yaive… Uye ndakatanga kuongorora zvakanyanya uye nekuwedzera mhando yengano dzatinogadzira, kunyanya dzakatenderedza tsika, uye nyika nevanhu. Ndinotanga kunzwisisa iye zvino kuti iyi ndiyo imwe nzira yekutaura nyaya, kuita chirevo kubva pane chimwe chinhu, kugadzira muenzaniso kubva pane chimwe chinhu.
Asi sezvawataura, pane kuchengetedzwa kweizvozvo, asi ipapo pane shanduko apo iwe unorega zvinhu zvisingachakushandiri zvakare wotora zvinhu zvitsva zviri nani sevhisi kwauri. Saka pfungwa dzemunhu dzinoshamisa pakungotora zvinhu izvi nekuita ngano kubva mazviri. Uye ini ndinofunga kuti zvese zviri zviviri chiitiko chemubatanidzwa uye pamwe ingangove chiitiko chemunhu. Uye ini ndinongoda kuti vanhu vazive zvavari kuita kuti tirege kubatirira zvakanyanya kune zvimwe zvezvinhu zvatinofunga setsika yedu yepakutanga, asi izvo sezvandakataura, pamwe zvakangogadzirwa zvishoma makumi mashanu. kana 50 makore apfuura. Uye zvakare ziva kuti zvimwe zvezvinhu zvitsva zviri kuuya hazvisi zvinhu zvichatiparadza kana kwete zvinhu zvichatishandura kupfuura kuzivikanwa, asi zvinogona kunge zviri zvekushanduka-shanduka, shanduko inobatsira zvikuru muchikamu chedu chinotevera. .
Paul Shrivastava (09:53):
Saka ndinoda kuenda kune chimwe chikamu cheiyi sainzi nekudyidzana nesosaiti, chandakaona mubasa renyu, kunyanya. Mazhinji esainzi nhasi anonyanya hunyanzvi nenyanzvi dzesainzi dzinozoita rakawanda rebasa, vakadzidziswa zvakanyanya. Mubasa rako, protagonists vanotakurawo mabasa makuru mukupindura shanduko huru mukutarisana nedambudziko kana neimwe nzira. Uye zvino zvatakambotaura nezveCCIDID, uye tiri kurarama munguva inonzi polycrises, mumatambudziko ari kuuya, tichafanirwa kushanda nesainzi. Munhu wose achafanira kushanda pamwe chete. Saka ndedzipi pfungwa dzaunadzo pakubatana kwevanhu nenharaunda musainzi?
Karen Lord (10:37):
Panguva yawakataura izvozvo, ndakaita kunge ndiri kupenya kumberi ku… Zvakanaka, tiri kurekodha podcast izvozvi. Uye pane imwe nguva, podcasts akange asipo. Iti, zera reVictorian kana chero, paigara paine rudzi rwemari kana chikamu chekirasi kuti ungatarisira sei kudzidziswa. Asi iyo podcast, chaizvo, iwe unoda chishandiso chinozokwanisa kuitepfenyura, uye iyo podcast pachayo ndeyemahara. Vanhu vanogona kugovera manyawi avo. Vanogona kunge vakaita, tarisa ichi chinhu chinotonhorera! Uye kutaura chokwadi, ndinofunga kuti nzanga yevanhu yakavakirwa pachirevo, tarisa chinhu ichi chinotonhorera, uye ona kana uchichifarira sezvandinoita.
Saka ndinonzwa sekunge isu tine ese aya maturusi matsva, tine ese aya mamodhi matsva, uye kuri kungochengeta nhaurirano ichienda nenzira yatinogona, nekuti ndiwo mamiriro edu evanhu. Isu tinogara tichida kutaura nezvezvinhu zvedu zvinotonhorera, isu tinogara tichida kunzwa izvo vanhu vari kufunga nezvazvo.
Paul Shrivastava (11:33):
Muvhunzo wangu pamusoro apa ndewekubatana uku pakati penharaunda nesainzi kuti vabudise ruzivo nenzira dzinoita kuti dziwande. Muchokwadi, ini ndinofunga nezve ngano yesainzi sechinhu che transdisciplinary nhamburiko. Uri kutora yese sainzi, yezvakasikwa uye sainzi yemagariro uye kugadzira musanganiswa. Unogona kusazvidaidza kuti transdisciplinary. Asi ini ndinoda kunzwa pfungwa dzako pamusoro pemikana yekuwedzera rudzi urwu rwekuita chiitiko.
Karen Lord (12:03):
Ini ndinoda pfungwa yesabata, kwete kungofanana negore resabata, asi kunyangwe nguva pfupi apo vanhu vanokurudzirwa kuenda kumunda kunyanya. Kana kuti chingoenda unoona, Zvakanaka, hezvino zvaunotsvaga. Heino chirongwa chaicho chinokutora iwe pakushanya kweiyi ndiko kwaitwa, apa ndipo pari kuita zvimwe zvakanaka kana kukonzera mamwe matambudziko. Saka iwe unokwanisa, kutaura zvazviri, kugadzira mamiriro ezvinhu ekuti unopotsa wasuma chikamu chemhando yebasa remumunda chichiri padhuze nemunda wako uye unokwanisa netarisiro kuwedzera pfungwa dzevanhu zvishoma sezvavanosiya chinhu chaicho chavari kuita vobva vabuda. kuona zvimwe zvezvinoitika chaizvo zvenyika.
Karen Lord (12:48):
Pandakatanga semunyori, makore anoti pfuurei gumi apfuura, ndakave neruzivo rwekuti hupenyu hwemunyori huchange hwakamira sei. Uye ndinofara kutaura kuti tarisiro dzangu dziri kukanganiswa anenge mazuva ese. Ndingadai ndisina kumbotarisira kuti ndingadai ndiri papodcast seizvi, kunyanya kubva kuBarbados. Ingo nzira idzo vanhu vanoda kutaura nadzo nevanyori vengano dzesainzi. Hazvina kungofanana nebvunzurudzo yakasununguka. Isu tiri kuwana izvi kubva kune vanhu vanonyanya kubatanidzwa mugwara, zvakanyanya kubatanidzwa musainzi. Vari kutiteerera. Vanoda kuziva zvatinoona, izvo zvingave. Ndaisatomboziva kuti zvaibvira. Uye ndinonakidzwa nazvo. Uye ndiri kunetseka kuti vamwe vanhu vari mune mamwe mabasa vanogona sei kuona mhando imwechete yekushanduka, kwaunogara uchida kudzidza, kuchinja, kuchinjika uye kuziva kuti unogona kubva pane zvawaifunga miganhu. waive wezvawaida kuita kana zvawaida kuita.
Paul Shrivastava (13:55):
Ndatenda nekuteerera podcast iyi kubva kuInternational Science Council's Center for Science Futures yakaitwa mukubatana neArthur C. Clarke Center yeHuman Imagination paUC San Diego Shanyira futures.council.science kuti uwane rimwe basa neCentre for Science Futures. Inotarisa pane ari kubuda mafambiro esainzi uye masisitimu ekutsvagisa uye inopa sarudzo uye maturusi ekuita zvirinani sarudzo dzine ruzivo.
Paul Shrivastava, Purofesa weManejimendi uye Masangano paPennsylvania State University, akatambira podcast series. Vanoshanda mukuita kweSustainable Development Goals. Iyo podcast inoitwa zvakare mukubatana neArthur C. Clarke Center yeHuman Imagination paYunivhesiti yeCalifornia, San Diego.
Basa racho raitungamirirwa na Mathieu Denis ndokutakurwa Dong Liu, kubva ku Center for Science Futures, ISC's think tank.
Mufananidzo we Aron Visuals Sur Unsplash.
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